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THE GUARDIAN Saturday January 22 1556 Promise of bridge over Humber an 'election bribe' From DENNIS JOHNSON Hull, Friday Mr Iain Macleod, the Shadow. Chancellor, set the Hull North byelection campaign ablaze here tonight by accusing the Government of election bribes." Labour, he said, was beginning to panic and was running scared from the constituency. Addressing an audience of more than 450, he described the Minister of Transport's promise of a Humber No shortcut to TV university By our own Reporter I' a start on the University of the Ait were authorised tomorrow, it could not be in operation for at least 18 months. Miss Jennie Lee, Joint Parliamentary Under-Secretary for Education and Science, said this at Leeds yesterday. Miss Lee was opening the closed-circuit television centre at Leeds University.

She said that the University of the Air would first have to write and distribute textbooks, open television channels, and prepare silent viewing rooms for group study, possibly in libraries, colleges, and schools. Throughout her speech, Miss Lee was reluctant to go much beyond anything the Prime Minister has already said on this subject. She clearly regards it as one of his special preserves. Makeshift But she did say it would be wrong to think that Mr Wilson was so foolish as to offer university degrees samply by looking at the telly." Qualifying standards would be as severe as those at the best residential universities. Dndge as a pre-election A gallery in search of status By our own Reporter The City Art Gallery, Manchester, should included in the North-western economic planning council recommendations to the Government for national status and financial assistance, Mr Charles Morris MP for Openshaw, said yesterday.

He is to write to "Mr C. F. Carter, chairman of the planning council, which is to ask for such support for the Walker Gallery. Liverpool. Mr Morns said yesterday I find it difficult to comprehend the exclusion of Manchester.

The city is geographically more central. Already the Manchester Gallery acknowledged as the conservation centre for the North-west Museums and Galleries' Association and is, in fact, the headquarters of the arts for the same orRanisation." He said that when he was pressing for provincial galleries to share in works of art acquired by the nation from the-Spencer-Churchill collection, one of the arguments against this, was mat few provincial galleries had the necessary air-conditioning amenities. But Manchester had ambitious plans for extensions -to -the main gallery, which would include air conditioning and therefore merit consideration national gallery. Building proposals A spokesman for the Northwest Economic Planning Council said 1 1 had decided not to include the Manchester gaJtery in -the request because of the building proposals there. A request for Lee speaking at the opening of Leeds University's new television Government mil move not peace overture BY OUR LABOUR CORRESPONDENT The Government made its first open move yesterday since the National Union of Railwaymen on Wednesday declared a national rail strike from February 14.

The three railway unions and representatives of the British Railways Board were invited to a meeting with Dockers to discuss pay offer By our Labour Correspondent Dockers' delegates are meeting In London on Monday to discuss an interim pay offer from the employers. The National Association of Fort Employers meets in the afternoon. Mr Jack Dash was down at the "Stump," outside the Royal Group gates yesterday "reporting" to his followers on recent developments. His liaison committee issued a statement calling on the dockers to accept nothing less than a pay increase equal to the rise in the cost of living since the dockers last pay award on November 20, 1964. Since then the price index has risen about 6 per cent.

The employers' offer as yet undisclosed may be assumed to fall far short of this. It is intended to keep the dockers happy while disagreements persist over the decasualisatmn scheme and the guaranteed weekly salary which is to replace the present pay system. Mr Maude may know his fate on Monday From onr own Beporter Stratford upon Avon, Friday Mr Angus Maude's fate is likely to be decided on Monday, when he will meet the Divisional Council-of the Conservative Association here to explain his "Spectator" and "Encounter" articles. It Is expected that the council, which consists of 100 representatives of branches and areas within the constituency, will then decide whether to adopt a new candidate for the next election or pass a vote of confidence In Mr Maude. section of the local party which wants Mr Maude replaced has now formed the view that his article was a red herring: "written from the Right-wing point of view to carefully disguise his Left-wing theories," as one anti-Maude Conservative put it Statement 'possible9 What force this view commands in the local party will be clearer on though attempts have, been made by the association to keep the date and place of this meeting secret No one-Mr Maude, local agent Mr J.

Starkey, or any officer of the association was willing today to discuss the meeting. However, Mr Starkey did say it -was "possible that a statement would be issued afterwards. This evening Mr Maude is holding one 'of his regular "surgeries" for constituents. The most he would say was What I am going to say to tiie Divisional Council is a matter, between me and them. I- think the.

time has come when I am just going to stop saying anything about anything." This remark, however, did not appear to be an expression of contrition, 'Bitter "resentment Some Conservatives here want -Mr Maude replaced whatever he tells the Divisional Council. Many -of these are near to the extreme Right-wing of the party, 7ho bitterly resent Mr Maude's vote with the Government on sanc-. lions against Rhodesia. Mr' Christopher'1 Clayton-Wright a Warwickshire County Councillor, said today that he and a group of dissatisfied local Conservatives were "seriously considering putting up an independent Conservative cand'date against Mr Maude if he remained the official Conservative candidate. 'Grave mistake' to deal with Smith regime By JOHN ARDILL Dr Jeremy Bray, one of the three Labour MPs manhandled by white Rhodesians, said in his Middlesbrough constituency last night that other British MPs who had visited Rhodesia had made a grave mistake in placing themselves in the hands of the rebel Government's Ministry of Information.

Clearly those MPs who identified themselves so closely with the rebel regime were not going to get free communication from other members of the public," he said at his first public meeting since his expulsion from Rhodesia. He and his colleagues, arriving with their support of the British Government's policy clearly stated and avoiding contact with members of the rebel regime other than Mr bmith. had released a flood of feeling from most sections of the population. bribe wtuen would not work with an educated electorate. He also said that the statement of the Labour candidate, Mr McNamara, that flour millers were putting up bread prices through political motives, was Mr Macleod said that Mr McNamara had made a charge so serious that he must either substantiate his allegations or withdraw them.

Referring to the Minister of Transport's remarks about the Humber bridge earlier this week, Mr "Macleod said that after the publication of today's Gallup Poll he expected Mr Wilson to arrive early next week and promise the electors a tunnel. The Labour Party was beginning to panic. He went on Their performance in the building of roads and bridges in comparison with ours is contemptible. They offer words not deeds and hope' that HuH doesn't know the difference. Pre-election bribes don't work with an educated electorate People can add up.

Mrs Castle's journey wasn't necessary." Mr Macleod' said that one of the silliest things Mr McNamara had done was to stop Mr Got! from asking him ordinary questions. It was for exactly the same reason "that they don't like another side of the picture being given "that Mr Wilson had tried to stop Sir Hugh Beadle from seeing Mr Heath a couple of days ago. The subject of a Humber bridge came up earlier this week when the Minister of Transport, Mrs Casfle, told a meeting here that as soon as details had been Candidates J. K. McNamara (Lab T.

Jessel fC), Mrs L. Millward R. Gott (Radical Alliance), R. E. Eckley Woodbourne Polling and declaration: Thursday.

General election: H. Solomons J. M. Coulson (C), Mrs L. Millward 7,570.

Labour majority 1,181 or 2.5 per cent worked out between the planning authorities and the Government they would have a Humber bridge. Later the Conservative candidate claimed that Mr Swingler, Parliamentary Secretary at the Ministry of Transport, had said in the autumn that a bridge would not be built at present" Then today came what Mr Macleod described as a remarkable reference" to the project by the Prime Minister his message to the Labour candidate Mr McNamara. Mr Macleod told his press conference "The Prime Minister says that in a matter of months the preliminary surreys of this area will be completed and from them a decision can be taken on detailed planning. So. far from a decision on a bridge, there is no decision on planning." The Prime Minister's message also says the Government's road programme is designed in such a way as to leave the way free for a go-ahead on the bridge, if Humberside is selected for future development" Mrs Castle's statement has certainly created a great deal of interest here and Mr McNamara has been questioned on it at his press conferences.

Earlier today Mr McNamara condemned any indiscriminate bombing of Vietnam more forcibly than he has done so far in the campaign. But he has not materially shifted his position any nearer that op Mr Gott He still advocates a continuation of present efforts to reach an armistice and the preparation of a way for free elections by the United Nations. Audiences at the meetings of all three main parties this week have totalled about ,600, which is extraordinarily high. The main local bookmaker says that most of the small local bets are on a small Conservative majority and that most of the outside bets, involving larger sums, foresee a Labour win with a majority of around 1.500. force to be created for home defence should retain the identity of TA units which otherwise would be lost.

The Ministry of Defence is anxious that the cost of the new home defence force should be carried by the Home Office, but it is also aware that little enthusiasm has ever been shown for the Civil Defence Force. Negotiations arc expected tD continue for the next week or two on the form of the new force and whether or not it will be administered by the Ministry or the Home Office. Organisation's address "The Reserve Army and National Security by Major-General R. F. K.

Goldsmith is published by the Army League and, in answer to many telephone calls received by the "Guardian," the address of the organisation is 99a Park Lane, London 1 Members of the council of the Army League include Sir Edward Beddington-Bchrens, General Sir Richard Gale, Lieutenant-General Sir Terence Airey. General Sir Richard O'Connor, and Mr R. T. Paget centre yesterday. End of Evans inquiry but report 'not for some time' The Timothy Evans inquiry in the High Court, which has taken 32 days, ended yesterday afternoon.

Mr Justice Brabin, who has conducted it, said he would be making his report in due course, adding: "It will, be some time before I report" Towards the end of his closing speech, which had taken nine and a half hours, Mr E. W. Evelelgh, W. weo aau put lorvvara arju 80 witnesses and a million words During the inquiru more than a million words have been recorded by five women shorthand writers, and the transcript of evidence covers more than two thousand foolscap pages. Eighty witnesses have given evidence.

In addition, the inquiry twice went into private session to hear written evidence from nine people, one of whom is dead, who did not leant their names made public. One unofllcta! estimate has mentioned 50,000 as the minimum total cost of the inquiru to the public. Another source puts the figure nearer double that amount It is likely to be several months before Mr Justice Brabfn makes his report to the Home Secretary. ments on behalf of both John Christie and of Evans, changed his role to that of an independent observer. He asked the Judge to consider the possibility that the murders of Evans's wife Beryl (20) and their daughter Geraldlne (14 months) were "a Joint venture." Afterwards Mr Ludovic Kennedy, chairman of the Timothy Evans Committee, spoke of the possibility of there being a free pardon for Evans.

Evans was hanged In 1950 for the murder of the baby. Three years later Christie, who had lived in the same house as the Evans family 10 Rillington Place, NotUng Hill was executed after confessing to the murders of several women, including Mrs Evans. The purpose of the Inquiry Is to reach such conclusions as It might be possible to form on whether Evans killed his wife or his daughter, or both. Mr Evelelgh, resuming his closing speech yesterday, raised the possibility of Evans having been "innocently duped In this matter," and pointed out that Evans could not have known, concerning the attempted abortion of his wife, that Christie had already killed two women and was going to do it to two more in the future. "The abortion and Beryl's death point to Christie.

If Evans had known that Christie was an abortionist who killed his victims, then the point would be nest to valueless but he did not know this, it was his connivance in the abortion and his fear of admitting it that led Evans to his destruction." Sentences of 16 and 14 years after robbery At the Old Bailey yesterday. William James Collins (30), of Evenng Road. Stoke Newington, was sent to prison for 16 vears; Ernest Charles Page (35), of Love Une. Tottenham. London, anr' William John Anthony (3S) of Cldrcn don Road.

Nottini; IMI. London, for 14 years and Tlionw Edward Dallison (23). of Sidlaw House. Stamford Hill. London, for three years.

Collins. Page and Anthony had been found euiity of armed robbery and robbery with violence In connection with the theft of 32.000 from a wages van in Tottenham in Steptember. Collins was also convicted of using a firearm with intent to resist arrest Dallison was found guilty of being an accessory before the fact of the robbery He had admitted stealing a car and receiving 480 Page had admited receiving 2,063, part of the robbery proceeds Judge Aarvold commended the gallantry of two policemen in tackling Collins and also commended a reporter. Mr Robert Hawes. who did what he could to help in Colhns's arrest it was stated that ten men were involved in the robbery and left behind a trail of injured people.

Miss Jennie Mr Donnelly a rail strike could wreck Government Mr Desmond Donnelly, Labour MP for Pembroke, said at Edinburgh yesterday that the twin consequences of a national railway strike extending over weeks could be the devaluation of the pound and the collapse of the Government. The corollaries could include a wage cut of Ss in the pound for everybody. Mr Donnelly added "It might mean the arrival of the improbable Mr Heath as Prime Minister which would be too much even for some Tories. If the so-called militants in the NUR cannot see beyond the end of their noses to the sombre points, people with common sense must assert themselves." Welfare State 'zombies' There was sympathy for tie railwaymen but it must be practical. "We must stop spouting fudge about the railways being a social said Mr Donnelly.

"As long as this nonsense goes on, railwaymen will remain zombies of the Welfare State." Railwaymen could never get a square deal until the more unprofitable lines were gradually whittled away. Nor could their' claims be met in disregard of the wages policy. Tory attacks Premier over Rhodesia Mr Anthony Barber, Conservative MP for Altrincham and Sale. said at Knutsford yesterday "During the past two days, Mr Wilson's behaviour concerning Rhodesia has been deplorable. Not only has his public relations outfit at No 10 tried to squeeze a part? political advantage out of every development since Sir Hugh Beadle arrived in London, but Mr Wilson personally sought to prevent Sir Hugh from seeing Mr Heath until the Government had everything "cut and What had Mr Wilson to fear from such a meeting The answer is quite simply that Hugh's advice to the British Government before ever he left Salisbury was to negotiate with Ian Smith, and this Mr Wilson has repeatedlv refused to do." Mr PearVs reply to price critics An answer to Conservative criticism of grocery price increases was given by the Minister of Agriculture, Mr Fred Peart, at Norwich last night.

He said nobody liked price increases but they must beware of exaggerating what was happening. The weeks after Christmas were the time when traditionally the grocery trade changed its prices. "In the four weeks after Christmas, there were 579 items increased, according to the Grocer." Under the Tories, in the same period after ihe last Christmas they were in power, there were 716 items increased. Mr Peart said the figures were somewhat misleading because a small increase in. say, the price of biscuits could affect 60 brands and that counted as 60 different items.

The true figures were the cost of living food index. In the past 12 months that had gone up by a fraction over 3 per cent. But in the preceding year, for 10 months of which the Tories were in power, the index went up by ust over 5 per cent. Year of the CATs The article "This year of the CATs," bj Patrick Monkhouse (January 12) implied that Bath University's extramural sociology periods were vocational. Jn fact, this year's "practical placements" included research posts at ACE and PEP.

and attachments to Bristol and Bath police. The article also stated that Loughborough University had a course coming in ergonomics and cybernetics. The course for undergraduates started 1954. and a postgraduate course began In 1960. The television service at Leeds University is housed in a former vegetable warehouse and ita studio walls are acoustically riled, if that is the word, with old egg packs.

Over the next two years the service will demonstrate maimy tne use oi television in teaching to university staff, and develop experimental programmes. It is giving priority to those departments with a strong visual ingredient in lecture material and those whose lectures have to be duplicated or repeated. The present makeshift accommodation will last until the end of 1968, Then, it is hoped, the service will move Into a centre to be built on the lower ground floor of a new lecture block. Two women die after stabbing By our Correspondent A 24-year-old textile worker stabbed two women and surrendered to the police within 25 minutes, it was alleged yesterday. Chief-Superintendent Kenneth Frost, prosecuting at Halifax West Riding court, sand that Eastoo Mateiao Cunningham, a Jamaican of Clavtonfield.

Huddersileld, murdered his wife Elmay (22) and MrsiCaroltae Alice Priestley (64), a cleaner. He was remanded custody until Wednesday. CMef -Superintendent Frost alleged that Cunningham stabbed his wife, who was living at West-bury Street, Elland, at eight o'clock yesterday morning. A few minutes later, half a male away. in Victoria Kcad, KHand, Cunningham also stabbed Mrs Priestley In a doctor's surgery.

Mrs Priestley, of Brooksbank Street, Elland, bad been employed as a cleaner by the doctor for 10 years. At 8 25, said Chief-Superintendent Frost, Cunningham gave himself up at the Elland police station, 100 yards from the doctor's surgery. Police Constable Denms Allan said Cunningham told him: "I out my wife three times for what she done to me, I cut another woman on the way here." When questioned, Cunningham said "My wife dead maybe. Another woman dead too." Seven years for attack on man of 78 A man, aged 78, was robbed of 100 after being struck down and left on the floor all night with appalling injuries." it was said at Leeds Assizes yesterday. Brian Butcher (26), an hotel worker, of Trinity Place, Halifax, was sentenced to seven years' imprisonment by Mr Justice Stable for the offence.

Butcher was found guilty of robbing Mr Charles Edward Hoskins (78), of Trinity Road, Halifax, of 100 and using violence towards him. Mr V. R. Hurwitz said that Butcher struck Mr Hoskins in the eye and on the jaw with his fists, and used a knife, causing a wound on Mr Hoskins's neck. Mr Hoskins was left on the floor with a broken thigh.

Radio Caroline the air Radio Caroline, the pirate radio station, hopes to be back on the air by Wednesday. Yesterday it returned to its old anchorage, miles off Walton-on-Naze, Essex, after freeing itself from a sandbank 50 yards offshore. The vessel is to be thoroughly examined by experts before anyone is allowed aboard. A spokesman said last night that Radio Caroline had been offered the use of the Swedish Radio Sud oif-shore station, in the Balttc. We are absolutely delighted at the offer and the expression of unity, but we hope our station "ill be in operation next week," he said.

David Fairhail adds For everyone but the skipper of a Dutch tug which had tried to tow her clear. Radio Caroline's hour of pen! ended in anticlimax yesterday morning when she heaved herself off the Essex heach with her own anchor and motored away into the mist. As darkness fell she uas waiting out there, invisible from the shore, for the insurance assessors status would be considered later. Alderman C. E.

P. Scott, chairman of Manchester. Art Galleries said yesterday you are going to have a gallery on equal terms with the State galleries In -London, it should be a centre serving tne largest possible population. "Manchester is almost on the boundary with the West Riding, with its very-considerable industrial population. It is the centre of a conurbation, with-something like two million people immediately on its doorstep.

It is the natural centre." Paintings by Turner lent to US By our own Reporter Thirty-one oil paintings; by Turner will be shipped across the Atlantic in March, on loan to the Museum of Modern Art, New York. Twenty-nine are from the Tate and two from the National Gallery. Neither gallery would reveal the insurance figure yesterday. The National Gallery said: "Ask the The Tate remarked that this was probably the most important loan it had ever made, but preferred, in the interests of security, not to say what value had been put on the paintings. J.

M. W. Turner (1775-18S1) became, in his later work, the great precursor of impressionism. The two oils from the National Gallery, "Bain, Steam and Speed and Steamer in a Snowstorm," are both late, and are among the best-known of his works. The oils have been cleaned and reframed.

They will be covered by a protective sheet of transparent plastic, crated, and sent by sea. With them will go 58 Turner watercolours from the British Museum. After the New York showing which will end on May 20, the paintings will be exhibited at the Tate in an air-filtered room, where they will he hung unglassed. Electoral change accepted By our own Reporter is llnlikplv tf object to the proposal by the Boundary Commission to reduce the city's number of Parliamentary seats from nine to eight. The general and parliamentary tion policy, yesterday recom-monrtpfi Hi9 Tin official comment should be.

made. The chairman, Councillor W. A rirtiDnnrarH snirt triflt Man- Chester had no logical argument to put forward against the proposal. will be back on next week to say if she was fit to cross the North Sea for dry docking. She came auay half an hour before high tide, with the tug Titan still at anchor offshore.

The workmen repairing the sea wall had knocked off for a cup of tea and I was hurrying along the beach when she began to move an ordinary little coaster but for the ludicrously tall foremast to carry her transmitting aerials. The successful -manoeuvre was made possible by the calm sea, her captain's ingenuity and the steady improvement in tidal deptli which has been working in the ship's favour since Wednesday night. The height and strength of the tides rise and fall in a fortnightly rhythm and luckily for the Mi Amigo (the ship's registered name), they are on the way up the moment If the vessel had been neaped," with each successive tide turning lower down the beach, she might have waited there for weeks. As the ships' agents at Harwich also remarked it was fortunate that she found a soft bed where she lay and they do not expect to find much serious damage. Mr Brown, Minister tor Economic Affairs, Mr Gunter, Minister of Labour, and Mrs Castle, Minister of Transport.

The meeting will take place early next week but possibly not until the three unions have met among themselves on Tuesday. It should not be taken as a "peace move" in the conventional sense. The Government is not intending to sue for peace, at least not at this stage the indications are that it will resist blackmail and defend its own prices and incomes policy and the authority of the National Board for Prices and Incomes. The statement issued by the Department of Economic Affairs last night, said: It is usual procedure upon publication of a report of the National Board for the First Secretary and other Ministers concerned to invite the interested parties to meet them." Urgent request The xovernment was given the opportunity of making a move without at the same time encouraging the NUR in the belief that its strike threat will succeed, by the urgent request for a meeting with Mr Brown received on Thursday from the locomen's union (ASLEF). The meeting of the three unions on Tuesday was requested by the NUR in the hope that they could find a common approach to the prices and incomes hoard report.

But a common approach seems unlikely in view of the fact that the Transport Salaried Staffs Association has accepted the report with reservations, ASLEF has rejected it but declined so far to discuss strike action, and the NUR has unilaterally called an indefinite national strike without any attempt to negotiate. Seamen want 40hr. week without cut in pay rates The executive of the seamen's union yesterday decided to press strongly for a substantial cut in the official working week at sea. This is in direct conflict with the recent attempts by the Prices and Incomes Board to tackle the problem of excessive overtime, The union is to seek a 40-hour week at sea spread over seven days, without any reduction in consolidated rates. This means that the union wants its members to get the same rate for a 40-hour week as is now paid for their readiness to work 56 hours.

Neither well oiled nor under the weather Bv Ernest Dcwhurst This is the first winter in which the elephants at London Zoo haic not had to be oiled a fact which the elephants are less likely to forget than the public. This winter they are in their new house in Regent's Park, heated by blown air, with an indoor swimming pool. "We used to have to oil their skins in winter to keep them supple because they could not have paths properly. Now they can batne indoors," a spokesman said. Whatever ill effects people may suffer from the cold, zoo animals seem carefully provided for.

Zoos like London and Belle Vue, Manchester, even have infra-red heating. Flamingos at London are taken indoors when there is frost. They tend to doze off on one leg in the water, and could waken up trapped by ice and break the leg trying to free themselves Mr R. E. Leggc, of Belle Vue.

Review area plan welcomed by Liberals By our own Reporter Manchester Liberal Federation has welcomed the draft proposals by the Local Government Commission for the South-east Lancashire special review area. It says the proposals include the basic features of the federation's own submission to tne commission. These were: creation of a directly elected council responsible for services which need to be planned and administered over the area as a whole and a series of boroughs large enough for efficient administration of all other local services without being remote from electors. The federation, however, is reserving its comments on the actual boundaries of the proposed new boroughs which would form the new county council. said precautions for tucking stock away snugly were a matter of routine.

If you did not take them, in this climate, you would not have much stock left. Tigers, oddly enough, loved the cold and would take a dtp even with ice on ihe water. The tropical house was always tropical, and bellowing from the crocodiles suggested that they were now preparing to breed' again. Some creatures were more susceptible to atmosphere than temperature. The dog world has fts own winter comforters.

A breeder said lliej could now wear pullovers, jackets, bootees, or macintoshes which come down to their legs anl which, incidentally, they seemed to hate Shcep'i clothing Sheep seem adequately clolhed, but some were fitted with hessian Jackets in experiments by the Ministry of Agriculture. The tests, according to Mr Henry Walton, of Wanwood Hill Farm, Alston, Cumberland, were not altogether successful. Fifty of Mr Walton's sheep were weiRhed before last winter. Twenty-five spent the winter in jackets the others were left without "They were weighed before and afler and we found no advantage," Mr Walton said. In my opimKi the use of the jacket is very limited I think there is a place foT jackets on old ewes which have not much coat of their own Lords debate on future of TA postponed By CLARE HOLLINGWORTH, our Defence Correspondent The debate on the future of the Territorial Army, due to take place in the Lords on Wednesday has been postponed.

It is assumed that the Duke of Norfolk, who is president of the Territorial Council, has been given some satisfaction by the Ministry of Defence about the future of the force. But he has left Iris motion on the order-paper so that he can again raise the issue when the official statement on its future organisation is made. The present size of the TA is 110,000 men, and the new Army Volunteer Reserve will absorb around 51,000, leaving abotit 60,000 men, of whom some may join a new force with a purely home defence role. TA Associations throughout Scotland and England espeoialy ihe former have now made Jt clear that the redundant men will not join a civilian force, but many of them would serve within an organisation which remained on a more or iess military footing. They are anxious that the new.